League game suggestions

[waterboy]

I have been thinking about the structure for this league..... If we average about 16 players a (buy in game), and top 17 gain entry into a $50 PBT Championship Tournament Freeroll , and 3 from freerolls gain entry into a $50 PBT Championship Tournament Freeroll.... Basically everyone makes it into the $50 freeroll... So the really is no incentive, other than the trophy. Basically there is no difference in getting 1st, in the league, or getting 10th.. Both players get into the $50 freeroll, which can easily be won by any player playing..



I think you should award 1st place over all, or possibly top 3 something. Most leagues operate with the winner or top 3 getting some sort of money. Usually there is an amount the is split between the top 3. Example: $50 for top 3 players, 1st gets $25, 2nd gets $15, and 3rd gets $10.


If you really think about what I have said (above), I believe it makes perfect sense.. And before someone uses the rebuttal that players that ITM each game get paid (therefore that is the incentive).... I understand that already, obv. But realistically, nothing has changed between this month and last month, other than there is a $50 freeroll at the end (that basically everyone will get into) and we get awarded points for our finishes.. But those points just get you into a game, that EVERYONE will already get into...



(Let me say that I'm not trying to down this forum, or what it is doing, in any way, shape, or form. Rather trying to let everyone see that the system is flawed, IMO.) In other words, I'm just giving feedback, as datsme, said feedback is welcome to get the kinks ironed out, moving forward.

[Assistanc3]

What it does is allow people to join the league later on into the month and almost easily qualify for the Championship tournament. This may sound horrible at first but when you think of that, the site needs to grow its member base for the buyin games to continue providing all the added money and freerolls (all affiliates have to deal with that).

If the point totals were more skewed to the top, new members who arrive later in the month wouldn't have much of a chance and possibly turned off from joining the forum and its games.

Make no mistake waterboy, I said the same thing regarding the point allocation doesn't feel it rewards those who win vs those who just show up.... but at the same time it does reward everyone who has been with PBT over the past couple months and gives those new a chance to be part of the site while the league levels out the kinks of its setup.

[waterboy]

I completely get what you are saying and what PBT is trying to do... But, how exactly is a "league" that really doesn't offer the winner or winners anything, supposed to draw attention? The games aren't listed in the lobby as "league" games, therefore, I would assume they will draw about the same interest as the games have in the past. No one will know they are league games, or that we even have a league, for that matter, unless they come to the forum! Which I understand is the point, to generate traffic here and grow the forum... But I honestly don't see this accomplishing that.



I am a member of many forums, and there are a bunch of players I know, that tend to be members of multiple forums as well. It seems the consensus is: no one wants to play at Juicy Stakes (or Lock for that matter) because withdrawal times are SO AWFUL! Plain and simple. They see, and know I have done fairly well at Juicy Stakes in the 4 months or so I have played here, but that isn't enough to get players to want to play at Juicy Stakes.... For example, I will post screen shots of a few good finishes on JS at another forum, and the responses are usually "congrats, hope you actually see that $ in the next year." Or something along the lines of that..




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Honestly, I have noticed that forums that offer games on Carbon, tend to get new members constantly! Some never return (that's just the nature of forums and new sign ups) but it seems most at least stay active for a while. And tend to frequent as many forum games as they can find... I notice a lot of the same names on multiple forums that offer games on Carbon, for instance. I just think, by not tapping into the Carbon player pool, this site will struggle to really blossom. There are only so many players on Revolution network that are "into forums." Most players don't even know that poker sites have a private tab, even though it is easily visible! Let's be honest, that is just the way it is..


Basically there are TONS of forum players on Carbon, and if you want this place to really grow, I suggest tapping into that player pool by offering games there. Even if they are just regular micro buy-ins with no money added. Do this, and I GUARANTEE traffic will increase ten fold!

[Assistanc3]

You make some valid points, which I assume will be taken into heart of tweaking the next months league series, after all this is just the first of hopefully many. More feedback can only make the site however

I too am a member of many other poker forums, which do run Carbon poker tournaments and that is the problem everyone already has Carbon Poker downloaded. How is PBT going to gain creating rake for someone else? It is also well established that Carbon is cutting back on providing affiliates with tournaments (and we know how hard it is getting them to create them accurately is)

also what you're saying is something that I have brought forward to PBT, in regards to generating revenue for the site be it from other revenue streams then just the because the pool of online poker players gets smaller and smaller at the same time trust in poker sites diminish.

With all that being said, PBT was away for some time for personal reason just as the fine tuning of the league was being talked about and the scheduling was tossed up almost in no regards then for PBT to provide members some tournaments. I think this last paragraph needs to be emphasized.

[waterboy]

You make some valid points, which I assume will be taken into heart of tweaking the next months league series, after all this is just the first of hopefully many. More feedback can only make the site however

I too am a member of many other poker forums, which do run Carbon poker tournaments and that is the problem everyone already has Carbon Poker downloaded. How is PBT going to gain creating rake for someone else? It is also well established that Carbon is cutting back on providing affiliates with tournaments (and we know how hard it is getting them to create them accurately is)

also what you're saying is something that I have brought forward to PBT, in regards to generating revenue for the site be it from other revenue streams then just the because the pool of online poker players gets smaller and smaller at the same time trust in poker sites diminish.

With all that being said, PBT was away for some time for personal reason just as the fine tuning of the league was being talked about and the scheduling was tossed up almost in no regards then for PBT to provide members some tournaments. I think this last paragraph needs to be emphasized.

Again, I understand exactly what you are saying "I too am a member of many other poker forums, which do run Carbon poker tournaments and that is the problem everyone already has Carbon Poker downloaded. How is PBT going to gain creating rake for someone else?" But look at it this way, by having a game offered on Carbon, even if it is a one time thing... IT WILL GENERATE NEW TRAFFIC TO THIS FORUM AND IN TURN, HOPEFULLY BRING PLAYERS OVER TO Juicy Stakes through the banners here, obv. And in the long run, generating a little rake, even if for other affiliates, or just Carbon in general, is a sign of good faith (or should be in Carbon's eyes.) So what, you miss out on a few pennies on Carbon for a game (if you were to only offer one) but the return, in terms of new members to this forum, I'm sure would out weigh any negative side affects , like generating a little rake for Carbon, or someone else....



As far as the last paragraph of your reply goes.. If you are getting at the fact the he may of not had his hands in things as much as he may have liked.. Why wouldn't you just wait til he was more available to add more input to this League or tweak it before starting it? Honestly, it seemed to me like the Mods, for one reason or another, were all riled up over the way the freerolls on weekends worked. And may/seemed to have jumped the gun in altering them, but really didn't change much.. Hope you can see the point I'm trying to make..



I want to see this place grow too. Which is the reason why I continually try to give relevant feedback. Just food for thought.

[Bad Boy]

If you look at PBT's location, I am sure he has no way to generate an affiliate account, to support a game, it would need to be done by someone else. I may be wrong and I'll let PBT or someone else address this.

[offrdmom]

If you look at PBT's location, I am sure he has no way to generate an affiliate account, to support a game, it would need to be done by someone else. I may be wrong and I'll let PBT or someone else address this.

Correct PBT's location is blocked at Carbon..

@there no question your inputs says it shows just how much you care and want PBT succeed, which is great!
So lets keep the thought process coming and I'll get the bugs ironed that's for sure..

Let me add theirs is also things like the PBT face book/tweeter pages, if we can get in a habit of liking/sharing and retweeting it spreads the word =)

[datsme53]

Thanks for all the feed back. It is true that Merge is pretty much out of the question for PBT. So that being said we need to go forward from there.. Merge being out of the picture as far as I can see. Merge sees fit to not allow Aussies and some others. ATM Juicy is offering the most for PBT. This is the first league, and hopefully there will be more. Yes, the top 17 players will get into a $50 freeroll from this league. So far.. after only 2 games there are 23 different players.. likely to be quite a few more new league players come aboard. With 16 games to consider... not too hard for new players at this point to earn their way into that game. What we need is to get the word spread as best we can to make this league as successful as it can be. The $100 free roll Saturday is being held to get more players and traffic to the forum. There will be the $50 free and 2 $25 frees as well this month.

We need more traffic to the forum and ways to get that traffic. Threads with good keyword structures are a good way along with spreading the word. Search engines seek posted threads with keywords to give searching clients links to consider.... emails, facebook, Twitter, chatting it up on the tables... encouraging players we encounter to give PBT a try. Any other ways of getting the word out are appreciated.

[SnappySam]

Thank you for throwing in your thoughts, without them we dont know where we could be lacking or know how you are feeling. All suggestions are taken on board and looked at as your feedback is essential.

Yes Australians are blocked from playing on the Merge Network BUT I do have an affiliate account and can setup games through them. Would our members be interested in a series of buyins, no money added at this stage (sorry) and I will throw in a freeroll on another network for the players?

Members could support the forum by signing up through our pokerbankrolltips.com/poker/html to Aced Poker or Carbon Poker if they do not have accounts there and we can hopefully build a base for future money added games.

Thoughts and feedback welcome.

I would play - and deposit if need be. Especially if it's not HE we play.